Jamila Parham: Innovation and Inclusion with the Tech Unicorn

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to this episode of the HerSuccess podcast. We are the podcast that interviews

[00:00:06] highly successful and aspirational women with the view to inspiring the next generation of

[00:00:11] leaders within the tech and engineering space. The podcast is brought to you by Aintal. We

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[00:00:27] equity and inclusion, please get in contact. Today I am delighted to interview Jamila

[00:00:33] Parham. Jamila is an award-winning STEM advocate and entrepreneur. Her day job she is an information

[00:00:39] technology governance manager at Microsoft. She's also the founder of an organization called the

[00:00:45] Tech Unicorn. They're a STEM social media impact company created to amplify voices,

[00:00:51] advanced marginalized communities and inspire careers and entrepreneurship in STEM-related fields.

[00:00:58] She's the proud daughter of Chicago, local to us here. She has a fantastic energy, a fantastic story

[00:01:04] and I think you guys will really like this episode. So without further ado let's get to the show.

[00:01:08] Hello everyone and welcome to this episode of the HerSuccess podcast. I am delighted to be

[00:01:14] joined today by Jamila Parham. Jamila is an award-winning STEM advocate, founder, speaker

[00:01:22] and tech unicorn. She has a really varied background currently working at Microsoft but

[00:01:29] also has various other initiatives and things that she's involved in. I think a lot of the

[00:01:34] work that she does is really aligned with our mission here at HerSuccess. So Jamila thank you

[00:01:40] so much for chatting with us and welcome to the show. Thank you Chris I'm excited to be here.

[00:01:45] Awesome first things first I would love to just get an overview of your journey. So would you

[00:01:50] mind just telling us where you came from and your career over the last few years?

[00:01:55] Yeah born and raised in Chicago, South Side of Chicago. I grew up in Morgan Park,

[00:02:00] Beverly went to Morgan Park. I'm a Chicago public school student and there can be challenges

[00:02:04] there about access and resources and so I always joke around about the extent of my computer programming

[00:02:10] was Mavis Beacon. Learning how to type fast and so it wasn't really anything around coding and

[00:02:17] I ended up getting exposed to tech by playing video games with my brother and he would battle me

[00:02:22] and we would say whoever wins or loses will have to do the chores and so I became really

[00:02:27] good at that but it just really sparked the interest in technology and video gaming

[00:02:33] and computer graphics and so I wanted to know like was there a future or is there opportunity

[00:02:38] or pathway to pursue that. So I attended DePaul University, I stayed in Chicago,

[00:02:43] Go Blue Demons, so State Local it was a wonderful, I loved DePaul, proud alumni and so I attended

[00:02:49] their computer graphics animation program and when I went there I didn't see many reflections

[00:02:55] on myself. I didn't see many black women, I didn't see many women period and a lot of the coding

[00:03:00] graphics and special effects classes and so it was very challenging to one not see many reflections

[00:03:07] of yourself and two to get the curriculum and try to figure out okay how the heck do I do this

[00:03:13] and so I spent a lot of time and like tutoring trying to nail down those concepts and so

[00:03:18] it was really a challenge and then it was just something that I saw as I even navigated

[00:03:24] career-wise and even going through college and graduating that there were not many black women

[00:03:30] and seeing representation when it came to technology and so that even represented itself

[00:03:35] when I went for my first job in technology and I walked in and looked like a frat house,

[00:03:40] I mean like a Bros Club and I'm like oh my god like am I joining a fraternity here

[00:03:45] and so that was a little bit discouraging for me and so I wanted to speak up about it and

[00:03:52] I just said hey how can we get more representation, how can we create more rooms where everyone feels

[00:03:59] welcome and they see reflections of themselves and so I just started to kind of talk to people on

[00:04:03] campus go to networking events and I found out that it was really some work to be done there and

[00:04:09] so the name of my company is the Tech Unicorn and so a lot of folks asked where did you get

[00:04:15] the name from? I know I can have many meetings but it's about being in those spaces and

[00:04:19] really being you know whatever background you're from not seeing representation of yourself and so

[00:04:26] I was graciously enough able to climb the ladder become a tech lead and I would walk in a room

[00:04:31] and they would say hey we're waiting on a tech lead and I'm like well that's me and they're like wow

[00:04:36] it's cool we haven't seen many black women in Tech Unicorn and I'm like hey let's roll with that

[00:04:41] like there's a lot of folks who are having that similar experience of there were many

[00:04:46] barriers in the way you had to really focus and overcome that adversity to excel in these industries

[00:04:53] and it's magical with something to be celebrated and so I created the Tech Unicorn because a lot

[00:04:59] of folks have that same story a lot of black and brown communities underrepresented communities

[00:05:04] like the south and west sides of Chicago not just Chicago but all over the United States and

[00:05:08] the world where there are students from these demographics that want to pursue these careers

[00:05:13] but don't necessarily have the training tools access and opportunities and so that has put me on the

[00:05:20] journey of being an ecosystem builder being a daughter of Chicago a voice of the community and

[00:05:25] just finding something that I'm very passionate about which is being a STEM advocate.

[00:05:30] Nice love man a lot of our guests will be listening rather than watching but if you are

[00:05:34] watching you can see yeah I'm gonna to be the house unicorns behind there as well which which

[00:05:38] I love and it's interesting my wife is an attorney and she has similar situations where

[00:05:44] someone walk into a room and say when's the attorney getting here assuming that she's the

[00:05:47] receptionist or something like that she's like yeah I'm here so yeah completely see that tell me

[00:05:53] a little bit then about the tech unicorn you talked a little bit about what the purpose was

[00:05:58] behind it but when you launched seven and a half years ago what kind of things do you guys

[00:06:04] do on a monthly basis to try to achieve some of those things?

[00:06:08] Absolutely so I've been fortunate enough to employ interns some of our youth to mentor them one on one

[00:06:16] use my personal network to get them opportunities and internships and really take the time to

[00:06:20] figure out what they're trying to do and then setting them on a path to get there so

[00:06:24] mentorship is definitely a pillar of what we do at the tech unicorn another part of that

[00:06:29] is representation matters right and so we work really closely with universities and schools and so

[00:06:35] I've had the privilege of speaking at University of Arizona also DePaul University has invited me in

[00:06:41] and so there's a lot of programs engineering programs where there seem a lack of diversity or

[00:06:47] students pursuing those careers and so you want to give a voice to that and so keynote speeches

[00:06:52] and workshops are another piece of that we've also done some diversity and inclusion consulting

[00:06:57] with Pearson and so that was a huge accomplishment for the Tech Unicorn last year so we believe in

[00:07:05] workshops and making sure that we give employees the tools to make sure that their workplaces are

[00:07:10] inclusive as well so I think we are really advocating and attacking this on all fronts

[00:07:17] I think a part of it is early access to tools and so you want to make sure that you spark it

[00:07:24] early with students and to create that vision and they can decide what STEM is cool or I want

[00:07:30] nothing to do with it but at least that it's the opportunity there so in regards to the youth

[00:07:35] that engagement is very critical for us as well in the previous year we worked with Blue Laguna

[00:07:41] right here in Chicago in partnership with Microsoft and we did a cybersecurity workshop

[00:07:47] with Minecraft and so the funny story about that is I don't play Minecraft as much so I stayed up to

[00:07:55] like three in the morning getting this curriculum together for this workshop and I'm like oh this

[00:07:59] is a good one hour workshop and I came in and show the students what to do and they were done

[00:08:05] in 10 minutes and I'm like oh crap what are we gonna do for the rest of this workshop

[00:08:11] it just shows how brilliant they are and a lot of the progress that we're making and so

[00:08:16] it focused more on the United States is that a deficit when it comes to information security and

[00:08:22] protecting data as far as talent and so in order to prepare that next workforce you have to spark

[00:08:28] that interest and expose them early to let them know about that and so that workshop was truly

[00:08:34] successful because they were like we didn't know anything about information security

[00:08:38] we learned about being safe online as far as gaming there's chat areas and rooms that

[00:08:43] students are in and we're just talking to them about not sharing information on being safe online

[00:08:48] and how you can make that a career and so those are some of the things that we are focused on at

[00:08:53] the tech uniform. I see I love it I think that the early access buys is absolutely critical

[00:09:00] we as I'm sure a lot of our guys know have a charity called Diversified the Future as we

[00:09:06] talked about earlier and I think one of the challenges with diversity in the STEM world

[00:09:10] is that there's just such a small amount of talent that is diverse in those areas so a lot

[00:09:16] of the companies they want diverse talent like every client that we work with says yeah if you can

[00:09:21] find me a diverse engineer I will bite your arm off however the challenge is only 15 percent of

[00:09:26] the industry is diverse so everyone is competing for the same 15 percent of talent so you're not

[00:09:31] actually going to solve that issue until you increase the amount of people coming into STEM

[00:09:36] so I completely agree I think approaching it at that grassroots level it's like how can we get people

[00:09:43] more access to this earlier so like you said like maybe it's STEM isn't for them but at least they know

[00:09:49] this is an option if you wanted to go down this road this is what it would look like if you do that

[00:09:54] that's how I think you truly influence the DEI because you'll increase the tunnel of people

[00:09:59] coming into the industry. Absolutely. At the tech unicorn your mission fundamentally is to close

[00:10:06] the opportunity gap in STEM. You mentioned you've done some consulting work if you were to give advice

[00:10:12] to a company looking to do that so maybe they're a tech organization and they are trying to close

[00:10:18] that opportunity gap what advice would you give a company like that? I always say there's a couple

[00:10:26] fronts engagement early on onboarding talent and also retention as far as engagement with

[00:10:32] organizations there is some great work being done as far as curating the workforce and getting

[00:10:38] underrepresented groups the talent and training required to get opportunities at organizations

[00:10:44] and so one that comes to top of mind is ICSTARS which is doing great work as far as curating

[00:10:49] tech talent for the future and so I think partnering with organizations like that really

[00:10:55] increase candidate base right and so when you have those opportunities you can engage in a

[00:11:00] diverse workforce. The second part of that is retention right the culture of your organization

[00:11:06] how are you celebrating and elevating everyone especially maybe some groups that are marginalized

[00:11:12] or underrepresented especially having ERGs or celebrating all cultures and making sure that

[00:11:18] you retain the talent as far as elevation of skills promotions and training so I think

[00:11:25] it's one thing to engage and hire the talent but retaining is another piece of and I think that has

[00:11:30] to be also two fronts that organizations focus on. Yeah no 100% because it can be a little bit

[00:11:38] of a slippery slope and I think we've had a couple of guests on here that's done a very similar thing

[00:11:43] companies will have a big push on diverse hiring they'll sell these targets and they'll

[00:11:47] bring diverse talent to the organization but then their retention rates were incredibly low

[00:11:52] and then 12 months down the road they'd like to square one again because they didn't have

[00:11:56] those mechanisms in place to retain that talent and create a working culture that was able to do

[00:12:04] that. Switching gears a little bit I noticed that last month you were named as one of the top 20

[00:12:09] Black Women Entrepreneurs to watch for 2024 so congrats awesome award tell me a little bit

[00:12:14] about what led to to that award and then from an entrepreneurial perspective what you hope

[00:12:19] to achieve in 2024? Yeah I mean I was so grateful to receive that and the fact that the work that

[00:12:27] the Tech Unicorn is doing is being recognized not just here in Chicago but across the US and

[00:12:32] hopefully across the world so when I received that honor it really was I'm always shocked but

[00:12:40] I feel that I'm doing great and important work and so I think the consistency of what the Tech

[00:12:45] Unicorn has been able to do in the communities and across the US is getting a little bit of

[00:12:50] attention as far as what we've been doing as far as positive impacts and role models

[00:12:55] and so being founded in 2016 we've been doing this for a long time and I think that's enough

[00:13:01] for a couple of eyes set of eyes to be watching what we're doing and so I think a lot of folks

[00:13:07] are excited to see what we are going to do next and I'm super excited for the future.

[00:13:13] I think what we have coming up is working and partnering with a lot of organizations right now

[00:13:18] we're working really closely with DePaul University, my alma mater. We did do a workshop actually it was

[00:13:25] a panel a panel last year about women entrepreneurs and we got an array of women that are leading

[00:13:33] engineering companies and all type of technology firms and it was a real raw conversation it wasn't

[00:13:41] it was a feel good but as a reality check too like here are the things that we're facing

[00:13:45] here's what we need to do and this is where we all need to band together because we're falling

[00:13:49] behind I've been to a lot of panels where oh you feel good and everyone's cheerleading but someone

[00:13:56] has to give the state of the state right and we have to realize the work that we have to do

[00:14:00] is great what we've accomplished but we want to always be looking ahead so what I'm excited

[00:14:05] about is to curate more programming like that safe spaces for young students and women to come

[00:14:11] discuss some of the barriers that they're facing to get inspiration and success stories from

[00:14:15] accessible role models there's a two-sided thing with the internet which is great everyone has

[00:14:21] access and platforms but I'm always big on accessibility as far as like role model someone

[00:14:26] you can meet at an event or pick up the phone even though everyone seems accessible it doesn't

[00:14:31] mean that you can just talk to them and get information and have one on one so

[00:14:34] I think those in-person events post COVID thank goodness we can all get together in person and

[00:14:41] feel energy in the room like feel the energy of support so I think that's the focus of more

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[00:15:28] and want a recruitment partner please get in touch. Yeah I mean I do I do agree I think a lot of the

[00:15:34] more impactful events are the ones like that where you know cheerleading is great and I think it's

[00:15:40] very important to big people laugh and make people feel good but I think when you really sit

[00:15:45] around the table and have the honest conversations about some of the challenges people are facing

[00:15:50] and try and tackle some of those that's where you can have real impact and one of the ladies

[00:15:55] that we interviewed a month or so ago she was she was an investor and she was very involved in a lot

[00:16:02] of kind of like seed level startups within the life science industry and she was saying how

[00:16:08] less than 10 percent of investment in life sciences goes to women run businesses and when

[00:16:14] you look at diverse women run businesses less than 1 percent so how and it was even as far

[00:16:21] as I did the questions that investment firms asked female entrepreneurs versus male entrepreneurs

[00:16:27] were completely different because yeah all the screening and stuff that they went through was

[00:16:31] very different so that they had a really impactful round table where they talked about how they

[00:16:37] can shine more light on this and get more visibility and really elevate female entrepreneurs

[00:16:44] that are looking for investment and things like that so yeah I think it's a super important

[00:16:49] topic. One more thing to that Chris before we shift having that round table was really important

[00:16:54] and so one of the shocking moments that came up in our event was one of our panelists said that

[00:16:58] you know she went into an investment meeting in a pitch meeting and there were conversations like

[00:17:04] of reality and she mentioned that she had she had a business manager there was a man but for the

[00:17:09] sake of that meeting he had to pose as the founder or a co-founder to go in because they

[00:17:15] felt that the messaging from a man would be more impactful as far as receiving funding versus a

[00:17:21] woman going in and leading and pitching for funding and it's unfortunate to hear that story but those

[00:17:27] were one of the realities and the stories they had to be shared of like this is where we're facing

[00:17:31] it's not okay but this is what a lot of women have to go through in the past and so I think

[00:17:36] you're really pushing to perspective like the work that is ahead of us. Yeah exactly you've

[00:17:41] got to be honest about where things are at now otherwise how can you really push forward?

[00:17:45] 100% one of my good friends runs a DEI consulting firm essentially and yeah she was the one that

[00:17:51] told me about the different questions that are asked and I think a lot of the time with female

[00:17:56] investors it's a lot more personal. They ask things like do you have the personal life set up

[00:18:03] in order to be successful if it was male those things are just taken for granted. Yeah we

[00:18:09] never be asked those questions and it is something that again I haven't even really thought of. I think

[00:18:13] shining a light on some of this stuff is absolutely critical. You mentioned early in your career one

[00:18:19] of the challenges you had was almost not having those role models coming into an environment that

[00:18:26] looked more like frat house and not having people that look the same as you in your early

[00:18:30] career and I think we've taken probably some steps in the right direction as over but still

[00:18:35] a long way to go and if you want to give advice to someone facing a similar thing so maybe there

[00:18:41] are 2024 grads maybe a black female that is probably going to go into banking or law or an

[00:18:47] industry that is predominantly white. What advice do you think you would give that individual?

[00:18:53] Yeah I think it feels wonderful to look back and to give us advice after going so far on my

[00:18:59] journey I don't have a lot further to go but I think it's important even when you're

[00:19:03] navigating corporate America or even if you're an entrepreneur or you're pitching your business

[00:19:08] you really have to curate your community, your support system because every room that you walk

[00:19:14] in may not necessarily be your support system right or the job that you walk in every day

[00:19:19] may not be that support system so I think there's so many different synergy groups that you can

[00:19:25] lean on and get resources from that can provide that mentorship and support so that when you

[00:19:31] do walk in that room you have everything you need to flourish despite what might be ahead of you

[00:19:38] excuse me but I think that it can be challenging you're going to face those rooms where you're

[00:19:44] spoken over I've encountered that even in meetings where you say one idea then a person

[00:19:50] says a little bit differently it's like celebrated and so it's really about finding your voice

[00:19:54] but what I've been grateful for is not only my community outside of some of these rooms like

[00:19:59] some of the synergy groups or volunteer groups or professional development groups,

[00:20:03] wordies and things like that that I've curated there have been allies that have been in these

[00:20:08] spaces that have spoken up for me or they've blown the whistle and they said hey this is not right

[00:20:15] or either Jamila has something to say or everyone hold on I think allies as well recognizing

[00:20:20] the challenges that someone else may be facing and speaking up and using their platform is

[00:20:25] important as well I think everyone has a platform to use to speak up for others to amplify their ideas

[00:20:31] to push them forward for opportunities to celebrate their work so I think that that's

[00:20:36] something that's pretty powerful and I think we all can practice that and so that's what's been

[00:20:41] something that has helped me on my path and so I continue to do that I recommend that I also

[00:20:47] recommend that anyone that is facing those challenges to create a roster or a brag folder

[00:20:54] of everything that you accomplish because sometimes when you walk in a room and you look around and

[00:20:57] you can forget a lot of things that you have accomplished with you when you have that seat at

[00:21:02] the table right and so make sure you keep track of everything you accomplish in a brag folder

[00:21:07] or somewhere that can be celebrated so that you can sit look back and see how far you've come

[00:21:11] and what you've overcome and that yes you deserve to be there and you do belong to be there

[00:21:17] yeah I think that's awesome advice an unreally tangible advice that I think someone listening

[00:21:21] to this can take from that like I think imposter syndrome affects everyone is particularly prevalent

[00:21:28] in gaga communities and I think having again just that awareness of where you've come from

[00:21:34] what you've done your achievements and that you deserve at the seat of the table I think is

[00:21:39] absolutely critical and I think as well one of the things that I've learned just from doing

[00:21:43] this her success podcast over the last year or so is there's there are a lot of challenges

[00:21:48] people are facing in this world and one of the fantastic things that you touched on there is

[00:21:53] there is such a passionate community of people that are allies and that are backing people

[00:22:00] that are diverse and I think that there is there are so many people that I've interviewed and

[00:22:06] I've spoken to that again are just so passionate about this kind of thing I think to your point

[00:22:11] building your roster of mentors building your roster of allies and those people are absolutely

[00:22:17] out there and there's a lot of people that are really passionate about that topic and I think as

[00:22:22] well just find final point that I just pick up on that is you mentioned about people that

[00:22:29] have said Jamila's had a good point and I think there's a leader that's such a critical

[00:22:34] skill being able to amplify people's voices be able to sit in a room and understand that okay

[00:22:39] this person is probably the loudest person in the room they're going to come up with a bunch

[00:22:43] of ideas this person here maybe they're in the middle and this person is going to be the quietest

[00:22:47] it doesn't mean that the quietest person has the worst ideas like sometimes it's the complete

[00:22:52] opposite of that and I think as a leader if you're cognizant of that and you're able to navigate

[00:22:57] those conversations and say okay let's let's pass over to this individual now what do you think

[00:23:02] about this I think it really helps the flow of the conversation and and helps it not be

[00:23:09] dominated by the again just simply the loudest person in the room exactly because we've all been there

[00:23:16] but on your LinkedIn you say I've dedicated much of my life to giving back to the community

[00:23:22] and teaming up with amazing organizations around the world to talk to us about some of the most

[00:23:27] rewarding initiatives that you've been part of or any of the real exciting organizations that

[00:23:33] you partner with yeah definitely I've been doing this before I even formally did the work under the

[00:23:41] Tech Unicorn and so creating the path or just pursuing STEM was something that basically is

[00:23:48] in my DNA and I was really excited about being involved with Black Girl Ventures and that focuses

[00:23:55] on getting Black women funding for their businesses and start up at various stages and so

[00:24:00] that was really a game changer for the Tech Unicorn and we placed third in our very first pitch

[00:24:06] competition and so that was a huge accomplishment for us in partnering with that and so I also know

[00:24:12] that as far as the Paul University we have upcoming programming with them to actually speak

[00:24:18] with some students from the UK and so we'll be sharing about being in the community of STEM

[00:24:24] and kind of having like a little bit of a fireside chat for that so that's something

[00:24:27] that's coming up and then also engaging in workshops with the youth we have that coming up

[00:24:32] later this year and also continuing to partner with universities. I love it well yeah you have

[00:24:38] to let me know how that goes good to see yeah yeah you two fellow Brits on the map we're almost

[00:24:44] out of time now so this will be my my last question obviously you're doing a ton of things

[00:24:50] you obviously have a day job at Microsoft and then also the work that you do with the Tech

[00:24:54] Unicorn as well as some other projects tell me something that you're really excited about

[00:24:59] for the future. Yeah like I said Tech is in a DNA we have the age of AI that is happening with

[00:25:06] chat GPT and co-pilot and I think it's very exciting and so I think the next phase is

[00:25:13] technology is always evolving and it can evolve really fast and so some of my background

[00:25:18] is in civic tech and so we want to make sure that technology is something that is to be useful

[00:25:24] and not harmful and so there's a lot of logic that's going into it and we want to make sure that we

[00:25:29] hold AI accountable as far as logic and bias potentially being coded in some of that logic

[00:25:35] and so I think the next front is really making sure artificial intelligence is inclusive of

[00:25:41] underrepresented and undervalued communities as well just to make sure that everyone is

[00:25:46] accounted for in the logic and so I think that looking forward we want to do a little bit more with

[00:25:51] GovTech policy and just to make sure that all communities are included in the conversation.

[00:25:57] Yeah I think AI is obviously an absolutely amazing tool but it will be what we make it and we can

[00:26:04] use it for good like I think there's a huge opportunity to remove bias and just to use

[00:26:11] AI for some of the good work that you do but to your point if we allow our own biases and

[00:26:18] things like that to enter into the logic then it would have the opposite effect.

[00:26:23] Yes, yes. Awesome. Well Jamila thank you so much and that's all we have time for today as I said

[00:26:30] at the start of the show I think the work that you do aligns so well with kind of what

[00:26:34] we're doing and her success I'm sure all of our listeners will have really enjoyed this

[00:26:38] as always Jamila's content details will be on the on the advert like her LinkedIn profile so I'm

[00:26:44] sure she would not mind anyone reaching out and if they want to learn a bit more about

[00:26:48] the tech unicorn but thank you so much and I've really enjoyed this conversation I think we've

[00:26:52] covered some really really critical topics. Thank you so much Chris that thanks for having

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