Teshera Hull: Career Twists, Opportunities, and Personal Priorities

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to this episode of the HerSuccess podcast. We are the podcast that interview highly successful and aspirational women with the view to inspiring the next generation of leaders within this space. This podcast is brought to you by EngTow.

[00:00:14] We are a recruitment company that really cares about diverse talent. If you are a candidate looking for a new position or you're a company looking to hire someone, please get in contact. In this episode, I interview Toshira Hull. Toshira is an absolutely fantastic individual.

[00:00:30] She is a marketing director at GE Healthcare, one of the largest companies in the world. She also has her own real estate business here in Chicago and very well educated. She has a bachelor's from Pepperdine and a master's from Northwestern.

[00:00:43] And she's also got to where she is today through a relatively unorthodox career path which she shares on today's episode. I hope you guys all enjoy and we will get to the show. Hello, everyone and welcome to this episode of the HerSuccess podcast.

[00:00:58] I am absolutely delighted to be joined today by Toshira Hull. Toshira works for GE Healthcare, one of the largest companies in the world as a marketing director. She's had a very extensive and impressive career within Medical Device

[00:01:12] and she's also got a real estate business which she runs on the side. Really excited to dive into her background. Firstly, before we get into everything, Toshira, thank you so much for joining me on the show. Well, thank you. It's an honor to be one of your guests.

[00:01:26] Awesome. I always start off with this but would you mind just giving us a bit of an overview? I know you mentioned before we jumped on it that you had almost a little bit of an untraditional journey, I guess.

[00:01:37] But maybe you could start us off by telling us a bit about where you came from, your education and how your career has moved up to today. Absolutely. So like you said, I had a very nontraditional background

[00:01:49] and to be quite honest, I think that most people that are like me or look like me probably have a pretty nontraditional background and I would love people to know you don't have to be embarrassed or hide or have any shame behind that.

[00:02:03] And I'll say that I was a person that used to hide the fact that I did not have a traditional background. So just to kind of start, I graduated from high school.

[00:02:12] I was an above average high school student and then I traveled around Europe for a little bit and this was before people did those type of things. But it really gave me an opportunity to kind of figure out some of the things that I wanted to do.

[00:02:25] And then I started working and I essentially was taking college classes while I was working. I think that that was a great thing for me to do because I was able to work.

[00:02:35] And I got a sense pretty early on if I want to be able to decide what I want to do with my career and education was going to be really important for me to do that. So I went and I took classes.

[00:02:47] Eventually I landed a job at Neutrogena, which is part of Johnson & Johnson. And it was awesome. They had a tuition reimbursement program. So they essentially paid for a good part of my degree as I finished up my degree while I was working there.

[00:03:03] And I also was able to build my career at the same time. And then after I left Johnson & Johnson and I was there for about 17 years, I started there in the consumer department. And then I went over to sales and I did some sales analytics.

[00:03:19] And then I ended up in medical device where I pretty much spent the bulk of my career. And after I left Johnson & Johnson, I went over and I did a few years working at Not-for-profit Medical Society, which really ended up dovetailing really nicely with my career.

[00:03:35] But the reason why I chose to go to that not-for-profit was actually for personal reasons. I'm a single mom. I have two small children and I wanted to take a step off of the wheel of traveling so much.

[00:03:48] And it actually turned out and it worked out really nicely for me because I learned a lot. And then now that my kids are a little bit older, I'm back in corporate and I'm at GE Healthcare as the marketing director.

[00:04:00] And while I was at that not-for-profit, I was also able to get my graduate degree. So I was able to get my undergraduate and my graduate degree while I was a working full-time person. Nice. Amazing. Well, congrats. I mean, yeah, great, great journey.

[00:04:16] Did you always think that you would wind up in a marketing role or was it something you kind of fell into as your career moved? That's a great question. No, I did not think I was going to be in a marketing role.

[00:04:30] I always wanted to do something creative and my personality pretty much was I wanted to be an artist. I also wanted to be a nurse. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to do either one of those because of my background.

[00:04:44] I was not able to take the time off and be a full-time student. And both of those are careers where you pretty much have to have the luxury of taking time and really pursuing those things full-time without having a job.

[00:04:58] So the opportunities sort of presented themselves as I was going to school and working. And what's so great about that, I learned a lot of things on the job but also I was able to apply some of the things I learned in school in my job.

[00:05:14] And that opened up a lot of opportunities for me along the way. So you mentioned earlier you originally almost like hid your background or you're almost kind of like embarrassed a little bit. I mean, that's something I can really resonate with myself.

[00:05:29] I grew up pretty blue collar and I remember my first job out of college. I had a suit that was from the equivalent of Walmart and holes in my shoes and everyone made fun of me when I walked into the office.

[00:05:40] And now I look back with some kind of pride in that. And by the time it was horrific. Was there a moment in your career where you almost got over that and you were at that point where you started to really accept the fact

[00:05:53] that maybe the fact that you didn't come from an orthodox background is a strength. And it actually has helped you in your journey rather than something that you should be embarrassed about. Absolutely. And one of the reasons I'm so glad I'm able to talk about it

[00:06:07] is because it's something that I actually have come to terms with fairly recently in my career. And I really I think it was doing COVID that I really said what I'm just going to be very authentic about who I am and I'm not going to wear a mask.

[00:06:23] And it's not that I didn't I tried to hide it as much as I didn't want to talk about it. But then when I would talk to more people about some of my background and even in mentoring some young people, they would feel a little embarrassed about

[00:06:37] oh, I started at a junior college and they kind of whispered it to me. And it felt really good to say, you know what? So did I. As a matter of fact, I went to a junior college

[00:06:47] and I got my degree because I didn't know if I was going to ever be able to get a bachelor's degree. But I was able to progress and move on. So that actually helped me have some pride in the fact that I worked and went to school.

[00:07:00] And it also kind of came to the forefront for me when I was in grad school. I didn't know anything else. I never had a traditional college background and I had so many people say to me, oh, my gosh, you're a mom and you're in grad school

[00:07:14] and you have this impressive job. How are you doing all of it? And I'm like, I didn't know anything else. And they kind of were like you said, like they kind of said to me that that was really impressive.

[00:07:27] So for those two reasons, I said, you know what? I'm going to talk about it a lot more because I think there's also a lot of people that may be in those positions now and feel like, wow, am I ever going to be able

[00:07:37] to get an executive job or move up the corporate ladder because I didn't start the same way everybody else did. Yeah, no, 100 percent. I think it's such a good point. Part of it is it is about yourself, but then you almost you almost owe it to other people

[00:07:50] to tell that story because there's probably someone that's in a very similar position that you were in a few years ago could really benefit from hearing that I was there and now I'm here. And then that's one of the goals of this this podcast as well.

[00:08:04] We interview so many incredibly impressive people. And when you really dig into where they started, all our different journeys, very few of them actually came from a really orthodox traditional career path. A lot of the time it was quite the opposite.

[00:08:18] Right now you are a marketing director at GE in diagnostic cardiology. Can you tell us just a little bit about about that, what your role there involves and what you look after? So yes. So I actually oversee the strategy for the diagnostic cardiology business

[00:08:38] within GE Healthcare for the US and it's quite a job. It's a huge market and there's a lot of opportunity. What I do in terms of the strategy, I work with the sales team and many other stakeholders in order to develop strategic marketing plans.

[00:08:55] I'm able to work with customers. So those might be institutions and the healthcare providers that work within those institutions. So it really brings together a lot of my background just in terms of coming from a marketing background.

[00:09:09] I also worked in medical education and then also having some sales as well. It really brings everything together. And that kind of even goes along with what I would love for some other listeners to know in here, even though you may take

[00:09:22] some different twists and turns in your career, it's your career and you get to craft it in the best way. And it's something that's original and it's only for it's only your career and you are in charge of the trajectory.

[00:09:36] And it's not just always going after the opportunities as they come up but also being ready for those opportunities when you're ready for them as well. 100%. Well, one of the other things about your background is you have your own property development company, TAM Enterprises.

[00:09:53] Can you tell us a little bit about that? Like where did that come about? And yeah, why? Yeah, to tell us a little bit about that. So funny story. It really developed out of necessity. Today they called it a hack. Back then I called it survival.

[00:10:08] So I was working a full time job and I had the opportunity to purchase a home. And I realized, oh, I can afford this two bedroom, two bathroom condominium. And it kind of dawned on me.

[00:10:20] I'm like, wow, instead of working a part time job trying to pay for this two bedroom condo, why don't I rent out one of the rooms and have somebody help pay for my mortgage? And then I won't have to pay that get a part time job.

[00:10:33] So sort of it started off as a hack. And then it just developed into more and I started to acquire more real estate. And I realized, wow, this passive income by buying real estate and having a tenant is not such a bad idea.

[00:10:49] And I've been doing it since I was about 23 years old. I've been buying and I try to sell real estate as much as I can. But I'll be honest with you, a lot of times I end up holding it and renting it out.

[00:11:00] And what I've been able to do and why I continue to do it and have a full time job quite honestly is there's a lot of benefits to being an entrepreneur and actually having a job medical benefits here in the US

[00:11:15] is like a real important piece of it for me. But it also helps keep me sharp by having a corporate job and I'm able to interact with other people. And quite honestly, I get to learn like the new technologies

[00:11:27] when it comes to marketing and different things like in my actual career path. But the passive income of having my real estate business is something that has been able to get me over the humps of many different things.

[00:11:40] And I would encourage anyone to if you have a part time job, that's great. But if you have sort of like this side passion that you can monetize, it's even better. Yeah, 100 percent. Yeah, that kind of side hustle for so many reasons.

[00:11:54] I mean, of course, the passive income and, you know, which now I'm 36. I start to realize this if I'd known that when I was 21, like I was like, Chris, invest a small amount in this now it would be worth a lot of money now.

[00:12:05] But like you said, that keeping you sharp, keeping your finger on the market, being aware of things outside of the scope of your enterprise job, I imagine is yeah, is really advantageous. How do you balance all of this? You have obviously a very successful corporate job at GE.

[00:12:22] You are, as you mentioned, a single mother and you have this great side hustle. How do you balance all of that stuff? I will tell you and I knew that you were going to ask me this question and I get asked this question a lot.

[00:12:35] And the answer I can give is honestly, I take time for myself every single morning. I meditate and for me, I pray and I just do those moments where I just can think and focus. OK, what is my day going to look like? What are my goals?

[00:12:53] I write these things down and I try to stay focused on the things that are important to me. And one of the things that I'm practicing right now, and I always have a goal in front of me.

[00:13:04] And one of the things I'm practicing now is actually how to say no. And what I've learned through my meditation practice is what it really helps me do is stay focused on the things that are important. And it helps me realize what's important and how to say no

[00:13:19] to the things that are not and how to stay focused on the things that are within my scope. So that's how I'm able to balance things because I can't do everything. And I just want to do the things well. So like for me, I really prioritize my life.

[00:13:33] My kids and my spiritual life is first and that's front and center. And you'd be surprised if it sounds counterintuitive, but everything else really does fall into place. We interrupt this podcast for a quick 30 second introduction to Intel, the host of her success.

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[00:14:22] or maybe a hiring talent for this space and want a recruitment partner, please get in touch. Interesting. Yeah. Because that one of my next question, which you sort of sent me answered there, I think is is what advice that you would give someone

[00:14:36] maybe just looking to start a family, but it's struggling with that idea of being able to balance everything. I know even in my own situation, I work, I run my own business. My wife's a partner at a law firm. She works every hour under the sun.

[00:14:49] We don't have kids right now, but we want kids. And our question is how on earth are we going to fit this into our current lives? And I know some of the guests that we have listening to this show

[00:14:58] have said similar things like they're really trying to climb a corporate ladder or they're trying to build a business or they're doing these things that seemingly take every hour under the sun. How are they going to be able to also have a family

[00:15:10] alongside that? And what advice would you give someone that's maybe grappling with something like that? One, I would just say prioritize the things that are most important to you and then stick to that. So like for me, I always put my family first

[00:15:27] and by doing that and saying, what, I need to be there for my children. I need to be there for myself. And I always also think about myself and as a mom and I think a lot of other women probably fall into this trap.

[00:15:41] Sometimes we tend to put ourselves last. So like one piece of advice that I've taken that someone gave me, even when I'm scheduling my time, I put the things or those big rocks for myself on my calendar first and then I fit everything else around it.

[00:15:57] And then it just automatically allows those other things to fall by the wayside. So, for example, I do my meditation first thing in the morning because every single time I feel like that I try to do it later in the day,

[00:16:10] it just never I never can find time for it. Similarly, like my exercise schedule, put that on the calendar in the beginning, like a month at a time. And I put that in the days that I need to accomplish it.

[00:16:23] And I also do it first thing in the morning so I don't have an excuse later. So those are some of the things that have worked for me and I think may work for other people. But honestly, just really being clear about what your priorities are

[00:16:34] and sticking to that. So one story I can tell you about that. One of the reasons why I ended up getting off the traditional corporate ladder and going into a not for profit that didn't demand so much travel. I gave myself like a barometer and I said,

[00:16:49] if my children are spending more time with a nanny or someone that wasn't one of their parents, that was my litmus test for then you need to find another job. And this was before I got in like my kids saying, Mom,

[00:17:04] you're not spending time with me or if I find myself, you know what? If I'm checking my email when I feel like I should be spending time with my children, then that might not be the right role for me.

[00:17:13] And have that courage also to say to yourself, OK, this isn't working for these things under these major goals for me and making the changes that's necessary. Oh, I see. I love that. I think that that concept of those big rocks that you just need to live by.

[00:17:30] Right. No matter what else happens, these are my non-negotiables that need to be in the calendar first. And then we can kind of fit the little rocks or whatever around that. I think it's a great, great analogy. Looking back at your background again,

[00:17:42] I know you spent some time in medical education management. And that was an area that I wasn't hugely familiar with. Can you tell us a little bit about what that involves? Absolutely. So that actually kind of grew. There was no real medical education when I first started off

[00:17:59] working in pharmaceutical or medical device. And what started to happen, the companies actually started to realize there was an education component that was missing. So salespeople would sell equipment and then they want to have it adopted within the institutions and the hospitals.

[00:18:19] But what they realized was these people needed to be trained and they also needed to be trained by in many cases their peers. So that particular job, it developed out of necessity. And I think that it's an awesome career.

[00:18:32] And what it did for me, I could work in the field, have a remote job, have direct customer contact. And when I say customers, I'm talking about working with health care professionals. Like I said before, I love I thought I was going to be a nurse.

[00:18:46] So being able to be in medical education, but not actually being a nurse, it fulfilled a lot of that desire for me. So I worked really closely with nurses and with doctors and even with direct patient contact and care by working in medical education.

[00:19:01] And it's a great opportunity for anyone, especially if you have been in sales or even in marketing, really what you're doing, you're educating people about your product, but when you do medical education, you're educating people about a new technique.

[00:19:14] So one of the things that I was able to do as part of my career when there was surgery before there was laparoscopic surgery and people had to be cut open, those health care professionals had to be trained on this brand new way of performing surgery.

[00:19:31] So I was a part of that advent in educating a lot of people, a lot of health care professionals on doing something different. So the great thing about technology is that we can develop new technology. But if you don't have people educated on how to use it effectively,

[00:19:49] then it's really for nothing. Right? So the advent of all of this new technology for laparoscopic surgery, it didn't mean anything if we didn't teach the doctors and the nurses and the health care professionals how to use it effectively and appropriately.

[00:20:05] So medical education, I feel, has gotten bigger and it's in more demand because actually devices are getting smaller. Access to be able to treat patients is becoming less invasive. And what that means is you need people like that to develop medical education

[00:20:22] programs, to train these health care professionals. And I think it's an overlooked area, actually. Yeah, it's really interesting how you think about it. Yeah, because I mean, it makes perfect sense. You've got these incredibly complex products that no one's going to look at.

[00:20:37] A picture below, call on one of these and understand how to operate it, how successful it's going to be. So of course, there's always going to be that missing component of making sure people really understand and as technology evolves and these things get more complex,

[00:20:52] the needs may even increase, I guess. So yeah, really interesting. You've obviously worked for some of the largest life science firms in the world with J&J and GE. But one of the topics that we talk about a lot on this show is DER

[00:21:06] and how organizations are successful at it. Are they not successful at it? Things that they can do to improve it in some of those areas. Are there any programs or initiatives that you've seen at Johnson & Johnson or GE that promote the EI or similar things? Absolutely.

[00:21:23] One thing about DEI, and I don't know if you've talked about this on other podcasts, but just my summary of DEI like diversity is getting an invitation to the party. Equity is someone playing your favorite music and inclusion is somebody inviting you to dance, right?

[00:21:41] So I feel like a lot of these companies, they send out the invitation and they invite this diverse talent into their organization. And I can say, having been part of these major companies, yes,

[00:21:54] I'm in the party and then no one plays my music and no one asks me to dance. But some of the initiatives that help close that gap is that there's many times there's affinity groups and I encourage anyone that goes into these

[00:22:07] predominantly white or PWI organizations as a diverse talent to get very involved in those organizations. So I've been part of the women's leadership networks and the black affinity groups and there's other groups, even if you're just an ally,

[00:22:25] I encourage people to become involved in that as well because you get to see a different side of the organization and you also get to meet people that you wouldn't necessarily meet in your day to day job, which also helps you with your career navigation.

[00:22:39] So I think that those affinity groups and those programs are quite effective. I love that. Yeah, there's such a great analogy. You need to have already. You should get like an image capturing that. I think that would go. It's funny. I can't own it.

[00:22:53] I learned that when I was in graduate school and I think that maybe I could since I was a communications major like design something because it really hit home with me and I even say that at work.

[00:23:05] A lot of times when you talk about equity and inclusion, a lot of the organizations, they're still really missing the market and they feel like, well, we have all this diverse talent and then even for me, I've gone to some of the top universities, right?

[00:23:19] And so I think that diverse talent for me even means people from very diverse education background. And I also think that people who haven't gone to college, they also bring a lot to the table and particularly in marketing and some of these different

[00:23:36] disciplines because it brings a completely different perspective. I mean, how many people are there in the U.S. that haven't gone to college? Right. When you look at your consumer base, right? There's millions of millions of consumers that didn't come from that path. About 100 percent. Yes.

[00:23:50] I mean, even thinking about my own company, I think that's a great way to look at it. I think we're generally very inclusive in that. Like, we always invite everyone to the party. I'm always on the first guy to try and get everyone to the bar, lunch or

[00:24:02] bread or whatever. However, are we always playing the right music? And are we always asking people to dance? I'm going to challenge my leaders to think a little bit about that because I think that's a great way of analogizing that.

[00:24:13] One of the big purposes of our podcast and one of the areas that I'm quite proud of what we've achieved is we've been able to make a bunch of connections with people, with building my community. And we've set various people up with mentors, mentees, that kind of thing.

[00:24:29] I'm always interested to know whether you had any particular mentors in your career and if so, what role did they really play in you and your development? I still have mentors and I'd like to even point out having a sponsor

[00:24:45] when you are a female, particularly a female of color is even more important because if you think about that analogy about diverse talent, what I've learned, I've had all two different types of mentors throughout my career.

[00:24:58] But it's this sponsor that brings you to the to the party and creates a seat for you and says here is Tashira. He's going to have a seat. And this is the type of music. This is what she brings to the table.

[00:25:15] And it makes quite a difference because, yes, having mentors are very, very important. But I think that the role of a mentor is very different than a role of a sponsor. And you need both.

[00:25:26] You need the mentor to, I think, to give you overall an idea from a 10,000 foot level, am I going in the right direction? Am I asking the right questions? Am I in the right rooms? Am I doing the right thing?

[00:25:37] But a sponsor is really going to guide you and bring you with them. It's like the difference of like, go to this person that I'm introducing you to versus come with me. Let me show you how you can be successful.

[00:25:52] Yeah, also, it's a really important different differentiator as well to think about that because sometimes people might bucket those two roles into the same thing. But actually they're quite different. A mentor and a sponsor. And by challenging anyone listening, do you have a mentor?

[00:26:07] Do you have a sponsor? Also, can you be one of those two people? Is there someone in your organization that you can be their sponsor? I mean, you can elevate them. You can make sure they go to the dance and get the right music and ask them.

[00:26:18] And it could be the same person. So someone who was initially a sponsor for me, she's now a mentor. Her name is Diane Francis. She has been responsible in so many ways for opening doors for me, for being a sounding board.

[00:26:32] And she actually introduced herself to me when I first started at Johnson and Johnson, and I'll never forget it. She came and introduced herself. I didn't know anyone. I was at this huge sales meeting with hundreds of people.

[00:26:45] And later on in the meeting, she was on the stage and my mouth dropped open because I was like, she came in, she sought me out and introduced herself. She also is a woman of color and she had a very impressive role

[00:26:58] at the organization and it meant so much to me. And she opened things up and because of her example, I emulate and do the same thing for other people as they come into the organization.

[00:27:09] I just make myself available and I'm just very open and I'm willing to mentor and even be a sponsor for anyone, honestly, that is new, coming into the company as much as I can. And I encourage other people to do the same because I know what it is

[00:27:24] to be that new person, especially when you're of a diverse background. You're not able to know what those unwritten rules are. And so Diane even let me know some of those unwritten rules like at the company

[00:27:37] and those cultural norms and you don't want to make that mistake when you are the minority coming into the into the meeting and not knowing, oh, when you show up, for example, if you're 15 minutes early, you're on time.

[00:27:52] If people don't tell you that or if you come too early, oh, people, they're looking at you a different way. So every company has its like norms. I think that that's important. Yeah. And and people just from different

[00:28:04] walks of life that they a lot of the time, like you said, there's no way of knowing that I mean, I was kind of similar. Most of the people that started at the same time I did went to very good

[00:28:12] schools and parents bought them nice suits and told them, OK, this is how you behave in a corporate environment. I had no idea. I absolutely learned by failure. And I think sometimes we assume that everyone that walks through the door

[00:28:24] has been given the same lessons in life as we have. And the chances are that they haven't. Great example from Diana, how simple, small gestures can actually have a monumental impact in someone's life and a ripple effect.

[00:28:37] All the people that you have done that to have had that because of the two minutes Diane spent to come over and introduce herself to you. Exactly. And just a great message, I think, for anyone in a similar position.

[00:28:48] Maybe I'll look Diane up and see if she wants to to come on our show at some point. She would be a great addition. Yeah, I think she I think she would be cool. But we're nearly out of time. It's gone really, really quickly.

[00:28:59] I always ask this as a kind of final question. Obviously you're doing a bunch of stuff right now. You're a mom, your marketing director and GE, you've got your property and business side hustle. Tell me something that you're excited about for the future.

[00:29:13] So one of the things that I'm excited about, I'm continuing to build my entrepreneur business with real estate. And I'm just about to complete one of my biggest projects. And after that, I have some other goals that I'm looking to attain some more

[00:29:28] properties and that's on my entrepreneurial side of things. And business wise, I'm actually thinking about and I haven't made a decision completely, but I'm thinking about really looking at some other avenues and some other areas that I can really expand my knowledge and apply myself

[00:29:46] above and beyond even with GE health care and even with my business. I'm thinking honestly about starting a not for profit. I think that what you've done is really an excellent avenue because I really

[00:29:58] want to be able to touch and impact other young people because we think that this non-traditional path is actually the non-traditional path. But what I've learned is it's actually more of what people's past actually are.

[00:30:13] So that's something that I'm excited and I think about and I haven't really polished it and can't really articulate it here today. And maybe I'll come back another time once I really get that idea. But that's something that I'm fleshing out.

[00:30:26] So between those three things, those are the things that I'm really excited about right now. Nice, love it. Yeah, just what you needed. Another venture to keep you busy. But yeah, I mean, I couldn't agree more like the more conversations I have

[00:30:37] like this, the more I realize like there's no such thing as normal. We all have our own journeys and things that we've been through. There's no such thing as a traditional path. The people that we've had on this show have been wildly successful in multiple

[00:30:50] different fields, I don't think a single one of them, I would say, went down a traditional path. And I think that's just a great message to anyone that maybe feels that they're wandering off the traditional path a little bit or they're in a position where

[00:31:03] five years ago they didn't think they would be in. I'm not a huge kind of everything happens for a reason kind of guy. But like I do believe that like that as you said earlier, regardless of your fields, right?

[00:31:16] If you're if you're good enough and like that you will get there, right? Whether it's marketing or sales or whatever that will happen for you. So yeah, I mean, Tessera, thank you so much. Really enjoyed this conversation. As always, I mean, Tessera's LinkedIn will be on this episode.

[00:31:30] So I'm sure she won't object to anyone reaching out. And the edges really appreciate your time and insights today. Thank you so much for having me. Awesome. Thank you so much for listening to today's Her Success Podcast. Brought to you by Aintel.

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